talk about romney, what about obama? too if your view as mine is that we're not going to have a deal that doesn't have both revenues and spending and the biggest obstacle is on the revenue side and that, as i do believe and i have asked a lot of democratic senators if my perception is correct and they say yes, and that is, that republicans continue to believe that at the end of the day in the 11th hour democrats will relent again as they did in 2011 and at the end of 2010. frankly one of the things the president has to do is to make it crystal clear that he is damn serious and he is not going to accept a deal that doesn't have both revenues and spending. let's just lay that out there. and i think that when that becomes accepted, that is my fear of why we go into january. i think we may have to go into january because the republicans won't believe him until we get to january. the sooner that is believed that to me lays the pretty coot for both sides moving to get a bipartisan deal. >> i want to follow up on a question, or